Marion Cotillard: Ez bûm aktrîs ji ber ku min nexwest bibim xwe

Now her partner is on the other side of the world. A five-year-old son walks with a nanny on the banks of the Hudson near the skyscraper where they live — she, actor and director Guillaume Canet and their son Marcel. Here we sit, on the tenth floor, in a large, bright, austerely furnished New York apartment. “The role of the luxury of the interior is played by the exterior,” jokes Marion Cotillard. But this idea — to replace the design with an ocean view — says a lot about her.

But she doesn’t know how to talk about herself. Therefore, our conversation is not even running, but walking with obstacles. We climb over questions that give the person of Marion «uncharacteristic significance», we hardly talk about her personal life, and not because she suspects me of an greedy paparazzi, but because «it’s all in plain sight: I met my man, fell in love , then Marseille was born. And soon someone else will be born.»

She wants to talk about cinema, roles, directors that she admires: about Spielberg, Scorsese, Mann, about the fact that each of them creates their own world in the film … And for some reason I, who came for an interview, like the way she gently rejects my questions. I like that in the whole conversation she moved only once — to answer the phone: “Yes, dear … No, they are walking, and I have an interview. … And I love you.”

Ez ji awayê nermbûna dengê wê di wê hevoka kurt de hez dikim, ku hîç mîna xatirxwestina fermî nedihat. Û naha ez nizanim ka piştî bihîstina wê min karî vê Marion Cotillard-ê, jinek ji apartmanek ku bi dîmenek deryayê "pêvekirî" ye, tomar bikim.

Psîkolojî: Tu yek ji lîstikvanên herî navdar ê cîhanê yî. Tu li blokên Hollywoodê dilîzî, tu bi îngilîzî ya Amerîkî bê zarava diaxivî, tu li amûrên muzîkê didî. Bi gelek awayan, hûn îstîsna ne. Ma hûn hest dikin ku hûn îstîsna ne?

Marion Cotillard: Ez nizanim çawa bersiva vê pirsê bidim. Vana hemî hin perçeyên dosyayek kesane ne! Çi eleqeya vê bi min re heye? Têkiliya di navbera ez zindî û vê sertîfîkayê de çi ye?

Di navbera we û serkeftinên we de pêwendiyek tune?

Lê bi Oscar û saetên ku bi mamosteyekî fonetîkê re derbas dibe nayê pîvan! Têkiliyek di navbera şiyana ku meriv bi tevahî xwe di nav xebatê de bihêle û encamê de heye. Û di navbera jêhatîbûn û xelatan de… ji bo min ew nîqaş e.

The purest, purest sense of personal achievement I had was when I bought my first white truffles! The ill-fated bunch was worth 500 francs! It was very expensive. But I bought it because I felt like I was finally earning enough for myself. Bought and carried home like the Holy Grail. I cut the avocado, added mozzarella and really felt the holiday. These truffles embodied my new sense of self — a person who can live life to the fullest.

I don’t like the word «connection» when we talk about my, so to speak, social life. There is a connection between me and my child. Between me and the one I chose. Communication is something emotional, without which I cannot imagine life.

Û bêyî kariyerê, ew derdikeve, hûn difikirin?

I do not want to look like an ungrateful hypocrite, but, of course, not all my life is a profession. My career is rather the result of one strange quality of my personality — obsession. If I do something, then completely, without a trace. I am proud of the Oscar, not because it is an Oscar, but because it was received for the role of Edith Piaf. She entered me completely, filled me with herself, even after filming I could not get rid of her for a long time, I kept thinking about her: about her fear of loneliness, which had settled in her since childhood, about trying to find unbreakable bonds. About how unhappy she was, despite the world fame and the adoration of millions. I felt it in myself, although I myself am a completely different person.

I love being alone and before the birth of my son, I even refused to live with a partner. I need a lot of personal time, space, solitude. That’s what I appreciate, not the growth of fees and the size of my name on the poster. You know, I even thought about quitting acting. It turned out to be meaningless. Brilliant trick. I played in the famous «Taxi» by Luc Besson and became a star in France. But after «Taxi» I was offered only such roles — lightweight ones. I lacked depth, meaning.

Di xortaniya xwe de, min xeyal dikir ku bibim lîstikvan, ji ber ku min nedixwest bi xwe bim, min dixwest bibim kesên din. Lê ji nişka ve min fêm kir: ew hemî di min de dijîn. Û niha ez ji xwe jî piçûktir û piçûktir bûm! Û min ji ajanê re got ku ez ê navberek bêdawî bigirim. Ez ê herim li Greenpeace bixebitim. Min her gav alîkariya wan kir, û naha min biryar da ku biçim "tev-dem". Lê ajan ji min xwest ku ez herim guhdariya dawîn. Û ew Masî Mezin bû. Tim Burton xwe. Pîvanek din. Na, kûrahiyek din! Ji ber vê yekê ez neçûm.

What does it mean «in my youth I didn’t want to be myself»? Were you a difficult teenager?

Belkî. Ez li New Orleansê mezin bûm, paşê em çûn Parîsê. Li herêmek nû ya xizan, li derûdora. Bûye ku di dergehê de sîrinc di bin lingan de çirisîn. Jîngehek nû, hewcedariya xwe pejirandinê. Protesto li dijî dê û bavan. Welê, wekî ku bi ciwanan re dibe. Min xwe wekî têkçûn, yên li dora xwe wekî êrîşkar didît û jiyana min heram xuya dikir.

What reconciled you — with yourself, with life?

Do not know. At some point, Modigliani’s art became the most important thing for me. I spent hours at his grave in Père Lachaise, leafing through albums. She did strange things. I saw a report on TV about a fire at the Crédit Lyonnais bank. And there, at the building of the burning bank, a man in a green jacket gave an interview — he came because he kept a portrait by Modigliani in a bank safe.

I rushed to the subway — in different sneakers and one sock, to catch this man and persuade him to let me look at the portrait up close if it did not burn down. I ran to the bank, there were policemen, firefighters. She rushed from one to another, everyone asked if they had seen a man in a green jacket. They thought I had escaped from a mental hospital!

Dê û bavê te jî wek te lîstikvan in. Wan bi tu awayî bandor li ser we kir?

It was dad who gradually pushed me to discoveries, to art, to finally believing in myself. In general, he believes that the main thing is to develop creativity in a person, and then he can become … “yes, at least a safecracker” — that’s what dad says.

Ew bi giranî mîmîko ye, hunera wî ew qas konvansiyonel e ku di jiyanê de ji bo wî ti peyman nînin! Bi gelemperî, ew bû ku nîqaş kir ku divê ez hewl bidim ku bibim lîstikvan. Dibe ku ez niha bi saya bavê xwe û Modigliani me. Ew bûn ku ji bo min bedewiya ku ji hêla mirovan ve hatî afirandin vedîtin. Min dest pê kir ku qabiliyetên mirovên li dora xwe teqdîr bikim. Tiştê ku dijminahî xuya dikir, ji nişka ve bû balkêş. Hemû cîhan ji bo min guherî.

Bi gelemperî jin li ser jidayikbûna zarokek weha dibêjin…

But I wouldn’t say that. The world didn’t change then. I have changed. And even earlier, before the birth of Marseille, during pregnancy. I remember this feeling — two years have passed, but I try to keep it for a long time. An amazing feeling of infinite peace and freedom.

Hûn dizanin, ez gelek ezmûna meditationê heye, ez Zen Budîst im, lê medîtasyonên min ên herî watedar ducanî ne. Wate û nirx di we de xuya dike, bêyî ku hûn xwe bikin. Ez di vê rewşê de bêbawer, kûr aram im. Cara yekem bi Marcel re ji min pirsîn: “Lê te çawa biryar da? Di lûtkeya kariyera xwe de veqetînek!” Lê ji bo min xwedîkirina zarokekî bûye pêwîstiyek.

And when he was born, I changed again — I became just criminally sensitive. Guillaume said it was a kind of postpartum depression: I start crying if I see an unhappy baby on TV. But it seems to me that this is not a bad depression — acute sympathy.

Navdar çawa bandorê li we dike? Di van demên dawî de, her kesî behsa têkiliya weya îdîaya bi Brad Pitt re dikir…

Oh, this is funny. I do not pay attention to these rumors. They don’t have soil. But yes, you have to make a «seam allowance», as my grandmother used to say. I even had to announce that I was pregnant with our second child with Guillaume.

… Û di heman demê de, li ser Guillaume bêjim ku 14 sal berê te zilamê jiyana xwe, evîndar û hevalê xwe yê herî baş nas kir… Lê belkî ne xweş e ku meriv li ber raya giştî îtîrafên wiha bike? Dibe ku hebûna bi vî rengî di mirov de tiştek diguhezîne?

But I don’t identify with my public image at all! It is clear that in this profession you have to «shine», watch your face … And after all, any fool can shine … You see, I was delighted that I received an Oscar. But only because I got it for Piaf, in which I invested so much! Fame is a pleasant and, you know, profitable thing. But empty.

You know, it’s hard to believe celebrities when they say: «What are you, I’m a completely ordinary person, millions of fees are nonsense, glossy covers do not matter, bodyguards — who notices them?» Is it possible to preserve one’s identity under such circumstances?

When I was filming with Michael Mann in Johnny D., I spent a month on the Menominee Indian reservation — it was necessary for the role. There I met a man with a lot of experience … domestic travel, I would call it that. It’s close to me. So, I confessed to him that I would like to live simply, because the highest wisdom is in simplicity, and something attracts me to self-affirmation. And that Indian answered me: you are one of those who will not achieve simplicity until you are noticed and loved. Your path to wisdom is through recognition and success.

Ez rê nakim ku ew rast bû, û kariyerek wusa serfiraz riya min a aqil e. Ji ber vê yekê ez ji xwe re şîrove dikim.

Hûn dibînin, dapîra min 103 salî bû. Ew û bapîrê xwe hemû jiyana xwe cotkar bûn. Û mirovên herî bextewar û lihevhatî ku min heta niha nas kiriye. Li dervayê bajêr maleke min heye. Dema ku Marsîlya û gelek tişt tune bû, ez bi baxçevanî û baxçevaniyê mijûl dibûm. Bi giranî, gelek. Her tişt ji bo min mezin bûye! Li başûrê Fransayê, hêjîr û hêşîn, û fasûlî, û birîçk û tomato hene! Min bi xwe ji malbat û hevalan re, sebzeyên xwe çêdikir.

Ez ji hejandina maseya starched li ser maseyê hez dikim. Ez ji rojavabûna li ser baxçeyê xwe hez dikim… Ez niha jî hewl didim ku nêzî erdê bim. Ez erdê hîs dikim.