Natalie Portman: "Ez meyldariya melankoliya rûsî dikim"

Of course, you would never give her her thirty-five. Of course, she is very beautiful, and pregnancy does not distort her chiseled features. And, of course, she is the visible embodiment of success — here is the Oscar, and Dior advertising, and the famous choreographer-husband, and the lovely five-year-old son, and the directorial debut A Tale of Love and Darkness, approved in Cannes …

Lê ji behskirina her tiştî At the same time, a shadow of irritation that is not characteristic of him runs across the face of Natalie Portman. Because «look younger than your years» is an ageist compliment, everyone has the right to look their age, and no one has to strive to be younger; beauty is just winning the genetic lottery, there is no merit to it, and you should not judge another by his appearance; Harvard — “Yes, you know How long humiliation I experienced there because of my stupidity, How long I had to overcome in myself?”, And the husband and son … “This is love. And love is not an achievement or a reward.”

Belê, ji bilî Oscarê. ew dikare serbilind be. Lê her tiştî, tenê serbilind bin, pesnê xwe nedin…

Em li balkona otela wê rûniştin over the Venetian Lagoon — far from the island of Lido, where the film festival is in full swing, in the program of which there are two films with her participation. She’s only here for a couple of days, she’s expecting her second child, and now she wants to spend as much time as possible with her son before his brother or sister arrives. Work has now receded into the background for Portman, and she is philosophical — perhaps for the first time in her biography, the time has come when she can look at her life from the outside, outside the hustle and bustle and acting schedules. Here it becomes obvious that it is not in vain that Portman received a diploma in psychology — she easily generalizes her personal experience in a socio-psychological vein.

Natalie Portman: It’s funny how I’m being treated like a terribly fragile creature. And I’m just pregnant, not sick. I have a feeling that pregnancy in our world has lost its naturalness, has become some kind of special phenomenon that requires special treatment — everything is so focused on the conservation of the already existing one that the renewal looks like a wonderful exception.

An jî weke ku hevalê min yê rojnamevan dibêje, dema rêwî piştî siwarbûna balafirê li çepikan didin pîlot: "Lê dema ku ez gotarek ji 10 peyvan pêşkêş dikim kes li min naçe. Di şert û mercên nû de, profesyonelî dibe norm, êdî destûr e ku meriv tenê bi kirinên awarte, diyardeyên hema hema qehremantiyê serbilind bibe. Û ez, bi awayê, di vê cîhana nû de dev ji veganek saf berdaye, min niha pêşanînên din hene, ji min re xuya dike, bilindtir: Divê ez saxlem û bihêz bim, ez dayik im. Ya sereke ev e.

Ma hûn ji dayikbûnê kêfxweş bûn?

NP: To be honest, everything is ambiguous. I don’t think «liked» is the right word here. Before the birth of Aleph, I was very worried — I could not imagine how I would combine work with a child with whom I so wanted to be there always, always … And somehow I asked Cate Blanchett — she is my oldest friend, I love her very much — how she succeed, she has four children. And she philosophically remarked: «Dance and you will learn to dance.» And I stopped worrying.

And when Aleph was born, yes, everything lined up by itself — he became a priority, I even abandoned the idea of ​​​​a XNUMX-hour babysitter — no one should stand between me and him … Motherhood for me is a unique combination of extremes — baby food and diapers with complete self-denial, anxiety, even horror with delight. You become more vulnerable and more sensitive — because now you have someone to protect. And stronger, more determined — because now you have someone to protect.

It’s funny, but now I look at a person and think that after all, someone is his mother, and it will hurt her if her child is treated harshly. And I soften even in the toughest situations. But the view of things is somewhat distorted. After two years in France — my husband had a contract there to direct the Opera de Paris ballet — we returned to Los Angeles. And you know, in comparison with Paris … Someone smiles at my child in a cafe, and I am delighted — what a wonderful person, friendly, open!

Or perhaps nothing of the sort. It’s just that in America it’s normal to smile at a baby, create an atmosphere of warmth and acceptance for him. In Paris, if you run around the playground with your child, they look askance at you — it’s not accepted … And in Los Angeles, everyone tries not to invade your personal space, no one seeks to teach you their good form. I felt this difference — from Paris to Los Angeles — precisely because I have a son.

Ji min re xuya bû ku tu ew qas disîplîn bûyî û pir caran xwe ji bo xwe di nav jîngehek nû de dît ku divê tu bi hêsanî her norman bipejirînî… Di dawiyê de, di 12 saliya xwe de te li welatekî biyanî di Leon de lîst, paşê, berê xwe da hûn bibin lîstikvanek naskirî, hûn di rola xwendekarek de, û tewra di beşa psîkolojiyê de jî, heya ku ji pîşesaziya fîlimê dûr ketin…

NP: Lê normên nû û rûreşî ji hev cuda ne, ne wisa?

Zehmetî?

NP: Well, yes, in Paris, if you do not obey the local behavioral norms, you can be quite harsh with you. There is… a sort of obsession with etiquette. Even a simple trip to the store can be stressful because of the «protocol» you have to follow. One of my Parisian friends kept teaching me «shopping etiquette»: you are looking for, for example, a thing of your size. But first, you must definitely tell the seller: “Bonjour!” Then you have to wait 2 seconds and ask your question.

Heger tu biçûya hundir, li daliqan mêze bikira û bipirsî: “Ya 36an heye?”, tu bêrûmet bûyî û di vegerê de jî tu dikarî bêrûmet bî. Ew nafikirin ku kesê li kêleka we rehettir bikin. Ew li ser protokolê difikirin. Belkî bi vî awayî hewl didin çanda xwe biparêzin. Lê ji min re zehmet bû. Hûn dibînin, li Fransayê ez bi rastî ji qaîdeyan westiyam. Ez her tim pir bi dîsîplîn bûm. Niha ez bêtir ji hêla hestê ve têne rêve kirin. Ez dixwazim ku yên din li dora min rehet bin, da ku kes xwe stres neke, û ez li gorî xwe tevdigerim.

Ma perwerdehiya psîkolojiyê bi tu awayî bandorê li tevgera we dike? Ma hûn difikirin ku hûn ji yên din bêtir mirovan fam dikin?

NP: Oh, yes, you treat psychologists like gurus. But in vain. It seems to me that I am just a real psychologist — each person for me is not a book already written and published in a certain edition, which you just need to open and read, but a unique creation, a mystery that needs to be understood.

Ma hûn di psîkolojiya zarokan de pispor in, gelo ev di têkiliyên bi kurê we re dibe alîkar?

NP: We are all equal when we recognize our children. And everyone is helpless before a miracle — meeting this person, your child. You know, I’m pretty sure I’ll be a good grandmother. That’s when — with the experience of motherhood and knowledge of psychology — I will clear up. And now there is not enough distance between us — I belong too much to Aleph.

Bi rastî ji bo we tê çi wateyê ku hûn bibin endamê Israelsraîl?

NP: Ew e… Dema ku ez yekem car rastî Budîzmê hatim, ez hinekî tevlihev bûm. Bûdîzm ev e ku hûn nirx bidin tiştên ku we hene û hûn niha li ku ne. Û ez jî mîna hemû Cihûtiyê bûm, ya ku… ya ku bi rengekî bênavber bi hesreta tiştê ku we tune ye ve girêdayî ye. Li welatê ku Cihû jê hatin derxistin. Û ev veqetandina me ya “Sala pêşin li Orşelîmê” ecêb e, wekî ku Orşelîm hîn jî ne aîdî Cihûyan be.

The language itself speaks for us: Israel is built into our religion as something we don’t have. But we already have it, the homeland has been regained. And longing is still right there … And I have it — melancholy. Sometimes it shows through. Although… I also have Eastern European roots, and much in our family culture, and in my character – from there. Perhaps from Russia, where my great-grandmother comes from.